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elf ([personal profile] elf) wrote in [community profile] ebooks2012-01-21 09:29 pm
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Apple wants to do e-textbooks

Apple's announced it's going to reinvent textbooks by turning them into multimedia extravaganzas that only work on an iPad. Setting aside, for the moment, the idea of textbooks only for those students whose families can afford a $400-600 device to read them (and the risk of sending said device to school with a teenager), and that the Terms of Use may not work for minors, who can't enter legally binding agreements. Assume we're living in Perfect Apple-land, where everyone can afford an iPad for every child and parents happily assume full liability for all actions their kids might commit with unrestricted internet access.

Okay then. On to the textbooks. Apple's big slide on the screen says they'll have
  • Gorgeous, fullscreen books
  • Interactive animations, diagrams, photos, videos
  • Fast, fluid navigation
  • Highlighting and note-taking
  • Searching and definitions
  • Lesson reviews and study cards
I'm sure they'll have "fullscreen" books. Why is this even an advertising point? Aren't all books using the iBooks reader "fullscreen?" Every ebook reader currently on the market has "fullscreen" books. Or did they mean "books designed to fill the page and be easily readable," which many current ebooks aren't--yes, that'd be nice. So... they'll read ePub. And they'll design the books in ePub, not as letter-sized PDFs that get squished in the screen. Yay. This is not something they should be bragging about; it's like saying "our textbooks will have legible fonts! They won't be printed in Comic Sans!"

Interactivity out the yazoo.... yeah, I can believe this. It's what all the new sellers are pushing: BOOKS PLUS! Books with blinky things and movies and charts that switch from lines to pies at a click. Why are they offering these things, which take extra coding skills and time and special software arrangements to support? Because they know damn well that textbooks on a screen aren't as compelling as the ones on paper. Because they can't pitch "here are schoolbooks, which you can put on your device." They have to pitch "these are BETTER than the books you can get now." Which they're not. Vids are nice, but we really did managed to produce quite a few intelligent, strong-willed, creative people over the last few hundred million years without them. Animation and interactive charts don't make for better content; the history of digitization shows they mostly work to disguise a lack of substance. (I'm all for a textbook about "modern activism" with video clips of the Occupy movement. I don't, however, think kids will be better off with math textbooks that show apples jumping in and out of barrels, which is what I'm afraid we'll get first.)

About that "fast, fluid navigation"... I doubt it. A lot. So far, there is just *nothing* on a screen that rivals paper for "flip back and forth between sections." Certainly, nothing within one program. (When I have 20 tabs open and need to compare text from three different sites... I open Notepad or Word and paste in sections, because switching between tabs is a nuisance.) Maybe, maybe, if the program allows a "split view" (like that option in Word I accidentally open every now and then and can't figure out how to shut off), it'd work for easy navigation between pages. Other than that, however, all current screen software *sucks* for academic work. There is no "hold this page open while I check back to Chapter 3 to see if that was the same topic." There is no "flip through pages, one at a time, until I find that chart again." (There's no doubt a search function. I bet it doesn't search for "that chart with the big spike of activity in the middle, with the green line going diagonally across it.")

It may have a flip function; so far, every computer-flip-pages function I've ever seen has been slower than the human eye can parse pages. Pages have to load, and we don't mind a half-second processing time for that--until we want to flip through a hundred of them in a row. There is no current software designed for fast, fluid navigation of ebooks. PDF with a well-designed TOC in the bookmarks comes closest--but that works because the pages are fixed sizes. PDF doesn't allow for resizing the text; eTextbooks would need to allow that because screen resolution is so much worse than print, and because not everyone can read standard-sized print at all.

Highlighting, note-taking... yeah, well, technically Kindles have this now, and it's useless for academic use. Will the notes be exportable & printable? (Hint: Nothing on the iPad is willingly designed to be exportable outside the iOS walled garden; Apple tolerates the need to allow some data exports.) Will they be unlimited? Will they allow use of a stylus or real keyboard, or will notes be limited to what students can do with a touchscreen keyboard? Yes, most students know their way around a screen keyboard these days--but there's a reason nobody writes novels on the iPad. It's okay for a sentence or two of notes; it's awful for whole paragraphs. (Of course, Apple would say you'd use a notebook to actually compose your reports or whatever. But why have a separate computer, just for reading, when instead you could have a netbook or laptop that lets you read *and* write reports?)

Searching and definitions: The new iTextbooks will have features that weren't groundbreaking in Word97.

Lesson reviews and study cards: "Cards?" It will have "Cards?" No, it will have "quarter-screen squares with limited data input allowances." Cards, in my mind, are physical. Lesson Reviews ... quizzes built into the textbooks? Because I'm pretty sure this doesn't mean "the teacher can assign essay questions that can be answered on the iPad and will be delivered to the teacher's master account."

Also: see them carefully not mention the word "accessibility." Which means the books can't be used in US public schools; there's no way to make an iPad work for someone who can't see well enough to navigate its buttons, or someone whose hands aren't steady enough for its tap-click-drag functions.

Buncha bells and whistles to hide the fact that they're NOT talking about the lack of peer-reviewed content. They intend to release the iBooks 2 spec on authors & developers, and tell them to write textbooks loaded with animations, and sell them through the iBookstore for $14.99, of which Apple will take about a third. They're pitching big hype about the "features" of the books, and not discussing the educational content at all.
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[personal profile] iosonochesono 2012-01-22 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
First of all, I doubt any textbook created would be created only under iPad. At worst, you'd get an eBook that would only work on iPad and actual textbooks.

That said, I haven't been willing to use eTextbooks at all, anyway. Most of the ones I know of work under the assumption that you'll be renting the textbook. Now, if I want to use it more than one semester, or it's a book that has major-relevant material, I want to keep the damn thing. Especially if they're charging 70-80% of the list pricing anyway.

Publishers on all fronts have been doing whatever they can on a variety of levels to rip students off when it comes to eTextbooks.

Long story short, I agree: It's a bad idea. Bright side: I'm not too worried it'll take off because most schools (and students/teachers) I know of haven't taken off to eBooks in the textbook realm, period. Books were enough of a ripoff without publishers doing what they keep trying to pull with the eBooks.

I feel the same problem with "Rent a textbook" as well - 50% of the full price per semester? I was going to be able to get 70% of a book's pricing back during their buyback weeks! And, again, what if I end up needing the book more tahn one semester... Nah.
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[personal profile] iosonochesono 2012-01-25 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
My (main) point was, I really don't see it becoming a "thing" because the eBook publishing industry when it comes to textbooks have been such a huge rip-off for students.

Like... I can't see any college professor I've ever studied under going for eTextbooks, except the type you can also get as hardcover/paperback.

I wish they'd make eTextbooks I'd actually feel were okay to buy, but the things I've been introduced to so far completely suck. Wouldn't touch those things with a forty foot pole :/ Shame, sucks for my back, but until they fix a few things I'm just not touching that department. And Apple can crash and burn on trying to get into that market, as far as I'm concerned. (Of course, I also don't get the appeal of iPad, but that's another story. I like my iPod, I like notebook computers... do not like iPad.)
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2012-01-22 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
Because they know damn well that textbooks on a screen aren't as compelling as the ones on paper

Notwithstanding many of the very valid points you made, there is one thing that makes textbooks extremely appealing: they don't weigh nearly as much. ...That's about it, for the useful bits. Everything else, I have a workaround for (and even the textbook carrying bit; I just don't bring them).
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2012-01-22 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, and if you want to know how to turn off the Word split screen - in 2007, it's under View: Split Screen (just hit it again to unsplit).

And the other advantage would be for a subject like physics, if you could get actual demonstrations; those are useful. Not so much in other subjects where static images are fine...
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[personal profile] willow 2012-01-22 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
there's no way to make an iPad work for someone who can't see well enough to navigate its buttons, or someone whose hands aren't steady enough for its tap-click-drag functions.

They'll already be useless if that have all that flickering, jumping about, animations, for anyone dealing with light-eye issues, or epilepsy. And can you auto change colours (or add textures) for people with colour issues, or who are colour blind? The way paper textbooks have to? How are they going to program in text to voice?

And I'm personally not at all sure about a textbook you need to plug-in in order to utilize - but that goes right back to 'in everyone could afford them / class issues' again. The whole walled garden as you describe it is ridiculous and what it will do is continue to widen the gap in technological comfort between the haves and the trying to haves.
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[personal profile] willow 2012-01-22 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm already smacky at the 'lock voice access blah blah audiobooks'. Cause someone can make a one time purchase of a text to voice machine / page reader / screen reader for physical books. But if they buy this device, then they can only have the audio book option? And does that audio book option for textbooks know how to read out graphs and the like?

Ugh.
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[personal profile] waldo 2012-01-22 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure there's a lot more I could say, but just one quick point...

The college text ebook I've been dinking around with is only on the top half of the screen. There's advertising and junk on the bottom. It's annoying as hell. I think that's why they're pushing "full screen".
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Despite the problems, I think they'll succeed on some levels

[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2012-01-22 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
This isn't to say that the iBooks liscence isn't evil and I have a feeling a backlash will force them to change it, and it's not uncommon for any tech company to exaggerate features. Their strategy is flawed, but then again, I wasn't impressed by the quality of audio back in the early days of pay-for downloadable music, and look how that turned out.

The tablet textbook scheme will probably succeed in the colleges and universities first, followed by the grade and highschools. What tablet and ereader makers will get the most leverage, I think it's still up in the air, but it's inevitable as are the downloaded and streaming entertainment. As someone with back and other pain problems, I'm looking forward to this regardless of how highly some people think of paper, simply because the textbook makers still keep churning out hardcover after hardcover, even though I really hope buying not just renting will be an option.

As for the full-screen size claim-I suspect that's probably a jab at the size of most ereaders, and there are limits to how much quality full color art and photography that can be displayed on them. I would love to see art history books on a tablet, due to a mix of how poorly paper can display pics, and how fucking huge the books are, I have enough pain problems already these days.
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Hmm..,

[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2012-01-22 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
There are some small academic presses that might benefit from this, who do peer review and aren't like the big publishers. I can see some possibilities for them here if they're willing to maneuver while the big publishers stall, and I hope that they do, because the quality of the output-granted, this is publisher depending-can be higher.


But Apple's not going to provide the features that'd be necessary for them to work for most classes, so this'll remain an "experimental" feature for rich colleges to try then drop.

They'll definitely have to loosen restrictions, no argument there, and I don't think they'll make much of an impact until they do. I have a feeling they'll be forced to due to the inevitable backlash. Personally I'd never use Apple products for an ereader, Apple doesn't understand that market yet.
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[personal profile] firefly124 2012-01-22 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
With all of that said, I would gladly have coughed up for almost any device, including an iPad despite my general avoidance of Apple products these last few years, that let me simply have my textbooks for nursing school electronically and not have pulled out my back and given my shoulder tendonitis lugging the damned things around even on wheels. Most of my classmates would've done as well, and I hear the current crop begging (on FB of all places) for the option as well. As of right now, nursing textbooks still aren't available electronically that I know of, in any format, though most do have electronic ancillaries, like the flashcards and practice quizzes and such. So, if Apple and any other tablet makers have any sense at all and want to get into the textbook business, they need to start at the college level and focus on the disciplines with the largest and most unwieldy books.
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[personal profile] six_of_one 2012-01-22 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Like it or not, e-textbooks are the new paradigm for education. Picture Spock in his crater of knowledge in the latest Star Trek movie. Picture the supposed result of this education: Tony Stark pulling together his Iron Man armor out of thin air. This is the future already envisioned. Apple is canny enough to clamp onto the vision, then clamp down the terms under which the realization occurs.

Despite claims for improvement of literacy for the grades below college, learning really becomes a series of events, of spectacles and associated activities, interspersed with bursts of short readings and pop quizzes. Grading is done as soon as the student hits "enter." All data is fed to the teacher's device for instant assessment of the student's understanding and issuance of recommended approaches to direct the student's learning, the assumption being that teachers have enough time and few enough students to give personalized instruction. Some publishers want to eliminate the teacher altogether, having the tablet give feedback directly to the student, adjusting the lessons as needed to enhance comprehension.

Responsible publishers will test proposed textbooks in schools to make sure students are actually learning. Apple is working with E.O. Wilson of Harvard, for example, to generate science textbooks.

I have tremendous reservations about this approach, the most significant being affordability and durability. Despite incentives for school districts, I fear this will increase the digital divide and perhaps create a generational divide.

Another reservation is that we already have a TLDR, short-attention-span society. Education by spectacle won't help this. I suspect that people who get joy out of concentrated reading and dedicated research will continue to do so, however, if they have the opportunity to discover those ways of working.

Then, there's the planned obsolescence that goes along with electronic products, Apple especially. That has always bothered me, but maybe I'm just a throw-back. I still have a math textbook from grade school that my parents had to buy because it got wet in the rain. It's still usable, and it's still mine.

Finally, I don't think we understand how learning happens enough to throw out centuries of practice and more recent theory for a flashy new idea. Having said that, it's possible that some technology can promote student creativity and expression, and possibly learning, and traditional, non-technological enhancements (physical science experiments, field trips) may help.

Shiv5468 has a sceptical post inspired by a piece in the BBC on the new, technology-enhanced, supposedly-interactive phenomenon.

Here's a good discussion (with two follow-up posts worth reading) of Apple's move into this market.

Edited 2012-01-22 18:35 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sanacrow 2012-01-23 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
My college is already using a system much like this in math classes. The Developmental Math class I took last semester had no real class instruction - everything was done through Carnegie's Cognitive Tutor program. It (supposedly) sets your problems according to your pre-test, then adjusts your "lessons" and problem sets according to the mistakes you make.

Nobody I've talked to is moderate about the system - folks either love it or hate it bitterly. I did okay, but I am really good at self-teaching.

This semester I have regular classroom- style math teachers, but the homework and out-of-class stuff is all through a similar system (MyMathLab from Pearson).
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[personal profile] sanacrow 2012-01-23 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I use an ipad for college - disability services "bought" it for me, along with a Bluetooth keyboard for taking notes in class.

It's actually pretty good for a lot of low-vision folks, and I know of at least a half-dozen who use them on my campus. It has a lot of built-in adaptability functions, which is the main reason I went with it instead of a netbook where I'd have to buy a whole set of programs to get the same level of accessibility.

The built-in screen-reader reads whatever is on the screen - there's no relying on whether iBooks or whatever app "allows" text-to-speech. It also can read back exactly what's under your finger on the screen, and when it's in that mode the buttons require a different gesture to activate rather than a simple touch. It doesn't take much to remember about where on the device things "should" be, then use the talk-back to fine-tune your placement.

As far as textbooks go, there's already quite a number of services that provide eTextbooks. There are a lot of folks I know using Kno, either on the iPad or on a "regular" computer. I've done their try-before-buy and may use them in the future. Right now I have pdfs of several of my texts, and use them more than the paper versions. (There's one that I can't find, even in bootleg, but it's one I have to have for *every* *class* *meeting* and is one of the giant floppy paper-back kind that's especially hard to manage if you've got hand issues.)

I love eTextbooks. I just don't think Apple's got even half a clue of what they're doing here.