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elf ([personal profile] elf) wrote in [community profile] ebooks2012-10-24 09:28 pm
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Ebook TOS: can't share with spouse

It's hit the news that Kobo Says You’re Not Allowed to Share Your Account – Not With a Spouse, Your Kids, Anyone -- someone finally wrangled an answer out of them, wherein they said "Legally, only the account holder has license to use the material."

Kobo's not alone in this; very major ebook store, and most of the minor ones, has a clause like this. Kobo is probably the first one to confirm in writing that it means "you are not allowed to let your spouse borrow your ereader and read the books you bought from us."

No wonder ebook sales for YA books are lousy. Kids can't buy books directly, and stores won't promote them because that would mean saying, "share your purchases with someone else."

Amazon Kindle Store (and wow, do they *bury* this; it's *hard* to find this page):
Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Kindle Content an unlimited number of times, solely on the Kindle or a Reading Application or as otherwise permitted as part of the Service, solely on the number of Kindles or Supported Devices specified in the Kindle Store, and solely for your personal, non-commercial use.
(emphasis added.)

Barnes & Noble NOOK books (six-point grey type on a white background is always such a joy to read! and only 7000 words of it!):
Barnes & Noble.com grants you a limited, nonexclusive, revocable license to access and make personal, non-commercial use of the Digital Content in accordance with these Terms of Use.
...
Only certain eBooks are eligible for lending. eBooks with an icon on their product pages indicate their eligibility for lending and will also have a "LendMe" link...
Smashwords:
If you purchase a work, you hold a non-exclusive, non-transferable, and non-distributable right of use. In other words, you are free to enjoy it for your own use, but you are not authorized to share, sell, or distribute the work to others.
Fictionwise:
The download of these product(s) is intended for the Fictionwise Member's personal and noncommercial use. Any other use of eBooks downloaded from Fictionwise.com is strictly prohibited. Users may not modify, transmit, publish, participate in the transfer or sale of, reproduce, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, display, or in any way exploit, any of the content of these product(s), in whole or in part.
Also, the "copyright notice" showing on logged-in members' bookshelf pages says,
"You may download eBooks that you have bought for your personal use, but may not distribute them to other people using email, floppy, or any other method."

("Any other method" can include "hand them the hardware on which the ebook is stored.")

Sony Reader Store:
The license granted to you hereunder does not convey to you any of the following: (a) reproduction or promotional use rights in the Content (e.g., any uses that implicate or require public performance, or any use that would result in the commercial redistribution of the Content or any metadata underlying the Content), (b) rights to enter into arrangements with any revenue-generating broadcast system (terrestrial, satellite, cable and/or other distribution channels), (c) rights to distribute or redistribute Content on streaming applications (via Internet, intranets and/or other networks), (d) rights to distribute to others Content on other content distribution systems or on physical media (compact discs, digital versatile discs, semiconductor chips, hard drives, memory cards and the like), or (e) commercial, sale, resale, reproduction, distribution or promotional use rights for the Content.
(emphasis added)

(Note that an ebook reader is a physical medium, essentially a flash drive with a viewer attached.)

BooksonBoard:
BooksOnBoard and/or our publishing partners gives you the non-exclusive right to download, subject to the restrictions set forth herein, copies of the applicable Digital Content to your Devices, and to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times on your Devices or as otherwise authorized by BooksOnBoard and/or our publishing partners as part of the Service for your personal, non-commercial use.
...
You may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, transfer, or assign your rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party except as expressly permitted by BooksOnBoard. Provided, however, that nothing in the Terms of Service shall prohibit any uses of Digital Content that would otherwise be permitted under the United States Copyright Act.
(emphasis added)

Ah. The first one that indicates that the rights are based on copyright law!

Google Books:
Google gives you the non-exclusive right to download, subject to the restrictions set forth herein, copies of the applicable Digital Content to your Devices, and to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times on your Devices or as otherwise authorized by Google as part of the Service for your personal, non-commercial use.
...
You may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, transfer, or assign your rights to the Digital Content or any portion of it to any third party except as expressly permitted by Google. Provided, however, that nothing in the Terms of Service shall prohibit any uses of Digital Content that would otherwise be permitted under the United States Copyright Act.
(Apparently, Google borrowed BoB's boilerplate. I'd think it was the other way around, except BoB has been selling ebooks much longer than Google.)

...and so on. I have to look sideways at that "personal and non-commercial" phrase... does that mean you can't make money writing reviews of ebooks bought from them? Can't use them for academic research that you get paid for? Can't use the ebooks you bought to get ahead in business?

Is there a legal line between "commercial use of an ebook file" and "commercial use of the contents of the ebook?" The first may be *intended*, but I doubt the second is excluded by their current phrasing.

And apparently, according to most ebook stores, handing your ereader to your spouse is just as much piracy as uploading your purchases to a torrent. Or at least, just as much a violation of the user terms, and they can freeze your account and lock you out of your books if they catch you at it.
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[personal profile] everbright 2012-10-25 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooooy, what a mess. This is ridiculous really, you have less rights to the material than if you'd bought the thing in paper.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2012-10-25 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the heads up. I've dropped Kobo an e-mail to express my opinion on this topic, and request an amendment. Maybe if the issue gets enough attention, they'll be more reasonable about it.
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2012-10-25 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
I don't really expect to get anywhere with it, but it can't hurt to ask. They don't know my opinion unless I tell it to them.

I suggested in my e-mail that users might establish a list of people permitted to borrow "their" content. So I could put, say, my folks and my girlfriend on it, and all would be well.
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[personal profile] holyschist 2012-10-25 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
I have to admit, part of my reluctance about ebooks is that they seem to be very much on a licensing model (online-only magazines do the same thing: if your spouse or roommate looks over your shoulder, you're violating the TOS. Whereas your paper subscription to National Geographic can be read by your whole town if you want to pass it around. Makes paper look like much better value for money to me). It's worrisome, and I'm not sure how to convince publishers that this is appalling--not when they seem sure they'll make more money that way.

I'm worried it'll eventually lead to pay-per-readthrough books, which really horrifies me.
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[personal profile] holyschist 2012-10-25 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
I do, though, because I am kind of lazy. I don't want to scan or type up books (although I've been seriously tempted for a couple out-of-print books I keep trying to get people to read). I don't want to have to spend half an hour fixing formatting when I buy an ebook, just so it's readable. Self-publishing has its pros, but there is a basic bar of "typically grammatical and spell-checked" that non-OCRed publishing house (e)books usually meet right off the bat. As much as I'm frustrated with major aspects of traditional publishing, I'm not keen on throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

(And I suppose they can always work harder on controlling devices, if they can't control data, which is even more potentially scary.
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[personal profile] finch 2012-10-25 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
What a lovely illustration of why everyone ignores their terms of service anyway...
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[personal profile] firecat 2012-10-25 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder, how do these terms stack up against terms for digital music downloads? Do you have to turn off the music if someone else comes into the room?
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[personal profile] isis 2012-10-25 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, BRILLIANT analogy.
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[personal profile] isis 2012-10-25 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Has anybody explicitly asked them "Is it a violation to physically loan your ereader (with a book on it) to someone else?" Because that just sounds loopy.

I don't care, though. I don't actually buy ebooks. My Kobo is for reading downloaded library books. I might have a "Kobo account" but if I do, I've never used it.
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[personal profile] pauamma 2012-10-25 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it just me, or does
Legally, only the account holder has license to use the material.
sound like an attempt to avoid answering the question as asked to anyone else?
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[personal profile] pauamma 2012-10-25 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
You're only allowed to read aloud if your children are deaf, mebbe?
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[personal profile] anatsuno 2012-10-25 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Still not ever buying DRM'd books on any of these platforms... It's sad to me that publishers who push out good books are deprived of all the money I've stopped spending on books because I want ebooks now but refuse to buy the ones offered in such lousy conditions, but until they learn to participate fairly in an ethical marketplace, I don't see why I should pay for their mistakes.
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[personal profile] merzibelle 2012-10-25 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Just a note, I did ask Amazon once about a children and their Kindle devices. The trend toward parents purchasing ebooks for their children and putting them on their own devices is why both the new Kindle Paperwhite and the Kindle Fire now have "parental controls" to lock adult rated content while allowing the usage of the device by children.
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[personal profile] kathryn_scannell 2012-10-25 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, it's mind-numbingly stupid. Yet another reason not to buy anything with DRM, or that will only work on a device/program that requires you to be in contact with the vendor (I suspect Kindle for PC and it's brethren won't work if you're not on the internet, for example, although I haven't tested it).

I'm pretty generally law-abiding, but I'm not going to lose sleep over the fact that my wife also reads my ebooks, and I read hers. We're not going to buy the same service twice. (This is also why we quit having a Barnes and Noble discount membership - they wouldn't give us two cards so we could both make purchases using it.)
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[personal profile] fred_mouse 2012-10-28 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
And it is for reasons like this that my youngest's Kobo has only material that is sourced from Gutenberg. I'm just not interested in paying dead money.