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Aithine ([personal profile] aithine) wrote in [community profile] ebooks2009-04-21 02:38 pm

Continuing discussion on a previous post...

What would make you take a chance with an unknown small publisher to purchase directly from them? Formats available, no DRM, payment methods, what? (Yes, I have a reason why I'm asking, no I'm not going to share it right at this moment. *vbg*)
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[personal profile] wide_worlds_joy 2009-04-21 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)

  1. Interest in the particular title

  2. Price

  3. Format (by preference, PDF, LIT, DOC)

  4. Customer Service

  5. Ease of reading despite DRM



That is in order. If I really want the title and that particular publisher is the ONLY one carrying it, then that trumps all others.
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[personal profile] wide_worlds_joy 2009-04-21 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Generally around. If I'm considering getting a book, I typically find info about it from a couple places:

My friend's List
Publishers (Llewellyn, Imannon Press, New Page Books in particular (Reviews of their titles))
Random browsing on the Internet

I typically do a bit of research to find the cover blurbs, possibly an excerpt and then I look and see through Google if there is an ebook out there of it.

If it's free, I'll download it and read it, purchase later if I plan on reading it again. Sometimes I ask the publishers for review copies of the ebooks (see list above).

Then if it's an author I already like, or a genre I already like (such as Star Wars or so on) I'll do the same process, look for an ebook.

So it's not really any particular place to read up on it.
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[personal profile] wide_worlds_joy 2009-04-21 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I still look at other places even though a site like Amazon does all that on their site. I'd be stupid if I didn't think that publishers didn't edit the reviews of their books submitted to their site. I mean, if I went to Del Rey and looked up a Lackey book and got all that info, I'd most likely only see the good praising reviews instead of those who say "I was hoping to see a new story here, but all I got was a bunch of crap short stories..."

I tend not to trust a publisher's site on their books since they want to sell books, that's their job. So they are only going to show the best and brightest. So I still hunt around for ALL the reviews to see what is being said that's negative about it.
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[personal profile] wide_worlds_joy 2009-04-21 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I agree, and I forgot cover blurbs. < sigh > Silly me.

Most times when I look at a publisher's site they only have a couple sentence synopsis and that's all. I do use the cover blurb as a guideline.
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[personal profile] cyprinella 2009-04-21 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Formats, no DRM, price and have to have some sort of known quantity to them. For example, one of my authors published with a publisher I hadn't bought from. But since I liked the author, I bought from that publisher. Formatting ended up being crap and I won't go back unless that author goes back. I have web acquaintances starting up a small press and I'll be buying at least a few from there to support them.
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[personal profile] cyprinella 2009-04-21 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
And the worst part? Story wasn't very good either!

Mostly I just look for what kinds of formats are offered. I buy .lit so usually it's not a problem for me to convert it and keep all of the formating intact. If I were buying other formats, knowing that sort of information would be good. For example, the HTML file I got from the publisher I mentioned, was some fancy IE file that had all the pictures encoded somehow. Great if you use IE for everything, but didn't open in Firefox and couldn't be converted as is for my Sony. For pdfs, knowing the size and what it's optimized for would be good. Samhain does two different pdfs - one for screen reading and one for Sonys. If you did end up DRMing stuff, knowing what software you'd have to have would be important. I've heard a lot of bitching about Adobe's Digital Editions and compatiblity.
Edited 2009-04-21 21:02 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cyprinella 2009-04-21 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Our new office webmaster only codes for IE. Our website looks like shit compared to what it used to. It makes me very, very sad.
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[personal profile] elf 2009-04-21 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
No DRM is a big plus for me; if it's a topic I'm interested in, with reasonable prices, that's the clincher.

Formats helps for repeat business--I can't read .lit docs without converting them, and I'm not sure I can download them at all because I don't have the software to register my computer as a .lit device. I prefer epub. Or rather, I prefer zipped HTML and I'll put it through my own software because I don't trust a lot of the choices publishers make about formatting. But if they're well-formatted books (no half-inch margins for my 4" wide screen), epub is simplest for me. PDF is okay because I love PDFs and I can convert them easily--but a lot of other people don't, and can't.

Taking PayPal helps. I don't want to give my financial information to dozens of sites, and I'm less likely to make that initial purchase if I have to give info to a site I might not buy from again.

Good site code. Good searches, good shopping cart software. Not that I consider these "important," exactly, but if anything at all is glitchy, I'm less likely to remain at the site. (I use Firefox 2.20, and have dialup internet at home; "glitchy site" is fairly common for me to run into. And I'm unconcerned with rebuttals of "well, you should upgrade to DSL!" Businesses that rely on high-speed connections obviously don't want me as a customer, and I respect that choice.)

Included in "good site": good grammar & spelling on the blurbs, no annoying blinky stuff, limited/no flash, easy-to-read layout. Links to info pages like "These are the formats we use, and here's links to the software you'll need to read them" and "Here's our bonus purchase policy spelled out in great detail" and "Here's our returns/bad file credit policy" are also good things, and would help me believe the site was worth risking my money at. "Click here to send email to our customer service dept" is not a good thing. (Well, not if it's the *only* customer service info.

Recommendations. I bought from Freya's Bower because one of the authors was recommended on some of my email lists. I'd never have found the site by random browsing, and wouldn't have bothered buying from them.
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[personal profile] quivo 2009-04-22 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
0. Does their site work? Do they have clear info on format availability? Does the site logic run smoothly (i.e. no needless refreshes, no "oops, I lost your request" bullshit--MBaaM, I'm looking at you o_O). Recommendations go in here too.

1. After all the above, title is king for me too. If the book is available at another shop I usually buy from, I'm 90% more likely to get it at the site I know.

2. Formats available. I am not very familiar with Calibre or other hardcore conversion software atm (something I'm longing to remedy when I suddenly magically have tons of free time *g*), so I want .mobi/.prc, or something malleable like HTML or DOC/RTF.

3. Price. Above $20, I'm not even going to bother with a small press unless it's like, three novels in one or something. $10 will get the book a first look. If it is cheaper at a more familiar site AND available there too, I'll grab the book from the site I'm more familiar with.

Practical illustration: I bought a book from MyBookstore & more just about 30mins ago, but only because Smart Bitches had heavily recced a Samhain book available only through MBaaM (afaik). I HATED, as in, DESPISED whatever software they were using to run their glitchy shopping cart, but I bought the book because it was cheap (~$6), recommended, and because I was just in that mood tonight :). In a less book-happy mood, I would have been put off by the bad shopping cart software--maybe have looked for the book elsewhere, or abandoned the purchase entirely.
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[personal profile] amalthia 2009-04-22 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
Reasonable pricing is important. I know I won't pay more than 5-6 dollars for an ebook. I think as long as it's Baen price range should be good.

Personally, I really like no-drm because I'm never happy with the formats other people make so I like being able to run ebook through Calibre and give myself 1px margins on LRF files.

Necessary formats. Mobi, Epub, Lit, LRF (okay that's probably not necessary but it'll be nice) and HTML.

payment methods. I like paypal.
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[personal profile] amalthia 2009-04-24 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
I never visited the Harlequin site but i've been hearing good things about their business model as well.

I really don't get why more publishers don't sell ebooks like Baen???
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[personal profile] amalthia 2009-04-22 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
P.S. MobileRead has a ton of information and advice for small publishers.