Gathered from around the web, some from recent discussions, some not so recent. A collection of comments by people who obviously are not in favor of ebooks.

9 Ebook Quotes, with links & some snark. )
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([personal profile] elf Apr. 4th, 2011 07:25 pm)
A grad student at U of Tennessee is conducting a survey about the viability of ebook tech for people in their 50's.

He named it Kindle Questionnaire, which I think is annoying, but I still encourage ebook readers in their 50's to go fill out the survey. I'll see if I can get my husband to go through it.
Got caught up reading Making Light recently, where they're talking about ebook scams and piracy (the real kind, where people sell authors' works w/o permission, not the unauthorized-free-copy kind that's harder to prove damage from), and I wound up looking for Rowling's reasons for not releasing ebooks.

Her two stated reasons were "piracy concerns" and something about wanting people to experience "real" books, which I couldn't find a decent quote about; I know it exists somewhere. What I did find instead, from USA Today in 2005:
J.K. Rowling has not permitted any of the six Potter books to be released in electronic form, not even during the peak of the e-book craze a few years ago.
Emphasis added. Oh, my sides hurt. The peak of the ebook craze: 2001-2003. Damn, the web is bringin' the funny today. I am tempted to send Konrath a link so he can share the giggle over the short-sightedness of mainstream publishing.
I originally wrote this for Shane Jiraiya Cumming's blog a month ago, during his Grand Conversation about ebooks; it was posted there a month ago. The conversation is fascinating series with input from many authors and publishers, and I encourage people to go read it. (And try out his books; he's got a couple of freebies and a set of very reasonably priced ebooks at Smashwords.) This essay was intended to be "a blog post;" Shane wound up posting it in 3 parts because blog posts shouldn't be 4500+ words long. But since this is DW that allows *cough* 50k word fanfics in a single post, I'm posting it all together here.

Part 1: Customers in potentia )

Part 2: Sell something worth buying. )

Part 3: Make them pay. )
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([personal profile] babaca Mar. 4th, 2011 03:54 pm)
Unfortunately for me there isn't an overdrive library near me unless I get a library card in some cities just outside of where I live but...

Harper Collins are forcing Libraries to re-buy new ebook copies after checking them out 26 times.

The link will take you to the story and a video of a library in Oklahoma expressing their dismay over this.

That just seems so wrong. I could see if the epub file got corrupted (in that case I still think the distributor would just send out a new copy to a library. Does HarperCollins think libraries make lots of money? Because I can tell you ... they don't.

[Edit: Seems you guys were talking about this days ago. I really haven't been visiting the journals much these days... so pardon. Although I still found the video kind of interesting.] :)
So, has everybody heard about HarperCollins gouging libraries for ebooks?

Library Journal:

In the first significant revision to lending terms for ebook circulation, HarperCollins has announced that new titles licensed from library ebook vendors will be able to circulate only 26 times before the license expires.


Smart Bitches blog:

In other words, the publisher sets a limit to the number of times a digital book can be lent, then when that limit is reached, that library must purchase another copy.

But wait! There’s more! That mysterious “publishers” referred to in the OverDrive email also says they want access to patron information.

[emphasis mine]

Cory Doctorow @ BoingBoing:

I've talked to a lot of librarians about why they buy DRM books for their collections, and they generally emphasize that buying ebooks with DRM works pretty well, generates few complaints, and gets the books their patrons want on the devices their patrons use. And it's absolutely true: on the whole, DRM ebooks, like DRM movies and DRM games work pretty well.

But they fail really badly. No matter how crappy a library's relationship with a print publisher might be, the publisher couldn't force them to destroy the books in their collections after 26 checkouts. DRM is like the Ford Pinto: it's a smooth ride, right up the point at which it explodes and ruins your day.

Twitter:

Hashtag #hcod
HarperCollins tweet regarding the mess:  We're reading your posts-and listening to our authors. If you want to share longer thoughts with us, email library.ebook@harpercollins.com

Feel free to post additional links in the comments.

ETA: Courtney Milan, author, "On Eating Your Seed Corn":

Publishers, if you make it impossible for young people–those in the “under 25″ category–to support a good reading habit on their own dime, these people are not going to start magically spending money on books when they start making a decent income. No; at that point, they’ll already have started spending their time haunting hulu instead, where they can actually get free entertainment. And when they start making money, they’ll be buying iTunes streams of those shows they watched for free.

Australian author Shane Jiraiya Cummings is having a Grand Experiment, releasing several DRM-free ebooks on various platforms, and is hosting a Grand Conversation on his blog, with guest posts from several authors and
editors, publishers, literary agents, booksellers, and readers from around the world.
...
Experts such as Smashwords founder Mark Coker, Queensland Writers Centre and if:book Australia CEO Kate Eltham, Angry Robot editor Lee Harris, anthologist Ellen Datlow, bestselling authors Scott Nicholson and Joseph Nassise (and time permitting, Aussie self publishing success story Vicki Tyley), and many many others will be participating. Will you? Please help spread the word!

He's open to more participants, including from people who aren't "names" in the ebook world (like me, heh), and encourages people to read the conversation and spread the word. The conversation already has a few posts, and they're packed with crunchy meta (professional-flavored meta, so I feel like I should describe them by saying they "contain substantial well-considered information"). Definitely worth reading.
So, I read a blog called Get Rich Slowly which I generally enjoy.  However, today, he made a post entitled "Are E-Books Cost Effective? The Pros and Cons of E-Books".  It made me cranky because he wasn't reviewing the cost-effectiveness of ebooks.  He was reviewing the cost-effectiveness of Amazon's ebooks and using a Kindle.  He didn't look at any of the other ereaders out there nor did he examine how people might be getting their ebooks if they hadn't been buying them at Amazon's prices.  I have yet to spend a total of $20US on ebooks.  Of course, I've only had my ereader since October and I don't tend to read new books that show up on the NYT Bestsellers list but I expect that I will eventually spend more than $20 on ebooks.  However, that is going to take a while.  Baen has hooked me up.  Not only through their free library but they also give ebooks to disabled readers for free and I was approved for that program.  Plus, the number of books that I've read and loved that are now in the public domain is quite large. 

So, I've gone from "ereaders - meh" to writing long missives when someone tries to generalize the entire ebook experience based on Kindle. 

Yahoo!News blog has a regular topic (I'm guessing it lasts a week or so, but I really have no idea), which is currently about The Future of Books. They'd like comments; the post went up on Wednesday, and there are a few more than 180 comments at the moment. As is normal for these things, there are plenty of "smell of books/feel of leather" comments, but also a high number of comments from people with ebook devices. I can't see a way to show more than 10 comments at a time, which is annoying. From the article:
Is the ability to carry a bookcase’s worth of literature in a thin electronic tablet jeopardizing the future of paper books?

Stanford University's library director, Michael Keller, seems to think so. The shelves of Stanford University's new engineering library will hold just an eighth of the books the old library stored, NPR reports, and Keller expects that eventually shelves will hold no books. Librarians now encourage engineering students to access periodicals from a laptop or mobile phone, for instance.
My comment )
[crossposted to my own journal ]

I want to buy an ebook, epub version of Dune by Frank Herbert.

It has to be DRM free because I will probably need to view it across various different mobile devices.

All of the Dune sequels are available as epubs (or pdfs or mobi or any other dazzling array of ebook formats), at either equal too or less than the price of a real life paper version of the same title.

So why is it that the Dune ebook seems to only be available at twice the price of printed editions from the same stores !

THERE IS NO SANE COMMERCIAL reason that the ebook version (regardless of format) of Dune should be TWICE the price of the paper version.

None.
Nope.
None.

Even more so when the filetype is DRM'd up the butt, restricting usage of the file once I've bought it.

It almost makes me want to scream with frustration

I'd appreciate your htoughts on this because charging MORE for an ebook of a title which is already out in real world print is so infuriating me me I loose focus. Its almost like the publishing industry is trying to kill ebooks as a market all together. Which makes NO SENSE because they are already invested in the infrastructure
I posted this in my journal a few days ago by accident. (I'd meant to post it here, and just utterly not noticed which journal I'd set it to.) So some of the phrasing here may be a couple of days outdated--these changes have officially gone live, but we haven't seen how they've affected all the ebookstores yet.

April 1, "agency pricing" went live for ebooks. This has the potential to drastically change the way ebook stores work.

Five of the "big 6" publishers have switched their ebook sales away from normal retail systems, wherein they sell to the bookstore at ~50% of retail price; the store sells the book to you at 100% retail price minus whatever discount they're pushing this week. (Random House is the one holdout, and its reasons are probably not altruistic.) The old method allowed Amazon to price bestsellers at $9.99, even when the official digital price was $20 or more, by selling at a loss to bring in customers.

Several publishers were upset at this practice, claiming it caused people to devalue books and it cut into hardcover sales.

Enter the iPad, going live soon. And the new iBookstore. And Apple's new ebook sales contract, setting ebook prices based on pbook prices and requiring that books sold in its store not be undersold at any other site. Enter the "agency" model, where the bookstore acts as "agent" to the publisher. Publisher sets price; bookstore gets a pre-approved cut of that price. No negotiation. No discounts. Except that maybe Apple gets to provide discounts; cue screaming and price wars.

Right now, several ebook stores are missing books from the "agency five" while they're sorting out new coding/sales software. No idea if they'll be back or not. The good (?) news: Stores will have to compete more on the basis of site features, which may mean we see better-designed, more interactive ebook stores.

TeleRead had been posting almost hourly updates on the state of the industry over the weekend, and the Mobileread forums are discussing the issues non-stop. I expect a solid barrage of posts in both as we start to see the actual changes roll out.
Nifty article at Mobile Opportunity blog: The future of publishing: Why ebooks failed in 2000, and what that means for 2010. His five points about why they failed, in brief:
  1. Not enough ebooks.
  2. Ebooks too expensive.
  3. The hardware form factor was wrong.
  4. Periodical problems.
  5. Poor marketing.
In my opinion, 2 & 4 are still serious problems; 3 & 5 are nuisance slowdown factors. #1 has mostly been fixed--not that everything's available as an ebook, but there's *plenty* of ebook content--some of which smacks into 3: it's nearly impossible to read a detailed tech manual with graphs on an iPod's screen.

Thinky thoughts go behind a cut tag. )
Here's a link to a Princeton study on use of the Kindle in a university class setting. It has the advantages and disadvantages you'd expect. The materials used were provided by the instructor, and there's no DRM issues. Students were able to move the materials onto a PC if they wanted to. Not being able to do that to back up ebook purchases is my biggest objection to the current ebook sales. We get to keep our paper copies; why can't we insure that we can keep our digital copies? Anyway, this study has interesting results


http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/64/38E35/index.xml
Background: Amazon has been clashing with big-name publishers for a while now, over its $10 bestseller prices. Publishers are unhappy because they don't want the public thinking new bestsellers should only cost $10. (They are not, it should be noted, losing money--Amazon pays them the full value, and takes a loss on those sales.)

So. Recently, Macmillan (who owns Tor books) apparently insisted they put bestsellers up to $15. Not necessarily all of them; just that they have a max cost of $15, not $10, for bestsellers. In response, Amazon pulled Macmillan books from its virtual shelves. Among the drama-bits involved is the factoid that Macmillan is partnering with Apple to be involved in something iPad-ish; details are, of course, unknown, so speculation is intense.

Details are blurry and ranty at Scalzi's Whatever, BoingBoing, The NY Times, Mobileread, VentureBeat and several individual LJ's. Comments at the more bloggish spaces include a lot of standard clichés and confusion about ebooks. (Bits about whether ebooks are, or are not, "worth" more than $10. Misconceptions about DRM, and polite corrections thereof. General bitching about Amazon. General bitching about the publishing industry. Anti-piracy ranting. Pro-torrenting ranting. "Authors deserve to get paid for their hard work!" ranting.)

I am *so* not up to entering this debate and playing Ebook 101 Informer at the same time.

Most of me is cheering about this. Not about the authors getting screwed out of sales because the companies who publish them are in a fight with the company that owns the store that sells their work; that part sucks. But only through this kind of megacorp posturing (really, could someone write the Macmillan/Amazon hatesex slash already?) are we going to get the kind of *change* that will let consumers & creators find ways of connecting that make both groups happy. Right now, the corps are getting in the way, because they're trying to use business models that no longer work. Their marketing departments are panicking, trying to figure out how to force the public and the authors to continue to use those models, despite obvious options that work better for everyone... except for stockholders in the megacorps.

Let Amazon & Macmillan bash each other to little *shreds*--a plague on both your houses!--and let a dozen small digital publishing-sales houses appear in their wake, ready to sort slushpiles, edit writing, and promote new books. Let authors start insisting on keeping their ebook rights so they can sell those to the company best able to exploit that market, just like they do with their foreign sales rights. Let readers learn to shop at a dozen stores because shopping at Fictionwise, Baen, Freya's Bower, and Smashwords is *four mouse clicks*, not four drives-to-store, find-parking-places, pack-purchases-in-back-seats. There are plenty of ebook stores other than Amazon... let us find them, browse them, and use our dollars to let them know which of them are doing it right.
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